Board Thread:Off-Topic/@comment-27207622-20170208123018

Ok so first off, im going to fully justify my actions.

Ok so here is how it started: I was scrolling through the wikia to check activity and see what was new around the wikia. I found myself in the forums section where i saw a post about a map someone was building, that person happned to be iiSwagGut. I checked out the map and of course I knew there were free models everywhere, anyone who didn't must be blind. Anyway, I saw how the guy was new to building and all, and i told him about smoothNoOutlines option in the lighting setting of studio (the program people use to make maps). I also gave him a few tips on the colour and material of the road in the map. You may ask why I decided to help him out. Since he's new, i wanted to help him learn so that someday he could make a map for a game of his choice.

Still though, why would i help a free modeler? Well when I started making maps back when I first started playing roblox, (time of the previous r2d) cant remember exactly when, check my profile if you want to know, I cant rn cuz im on iPad. I tried making maps. My attemps were always failures, maybe because i spammed free models back then lol. When I was going to give up for good, StreetBuilder joined my game and told me to not give up and keep trying. As a lot of people know, streetbuilder is a well known map builder in r2d. He made cacius in r2da and also a bunch of others in the old r2d. When i got told this I figured out that to suceed i had to keep trying. It also partially felt good to have a r2d dev tell me something good.

This previous paragraph basically sums up why I decided to cheer on iiSwagGut. Since I'm now a r2da dev, i thought i could help him out and teach him some stuff in building. I know what it felt like to get criticized heavily. You guys might agree with kreig that this guy is free modelling but in the future, he could build a highly detailed map and all of your minds would be blown.

If StreetBuilding encouraged me, then it's certainly possible for me to motivate others in the same way.

Ok so this is the point where you ask: what was the flamewar about? Well kreig aka von wrote a message on the thread criticizing iiSwagGut and telling him how he could not build. I found this fine, as everyones going to get criticism and it wont come in the prettiest form either. My problem was not with the start of the criticism but rather in the way he kept repeating himself even after everyone got the point. I pointed out a few legit points why 1 of kreigs points could have been wrong, i said how its really easy to make a box like the developer quenty did. Soon after iiSwag asked how triangle terrain could be made, and i told him about the triangle terrain plugin i edited for easier use.

I cant remember when, but i came back to see that kreig had criticized swag even more than last time. Swag then asked kreig: "HOW DO I BUILD THEN!!!" I was like: hey, i could teach him, inside of my head. So i thought about it for a bit. Next time i come to the wikia is when the flamewar really starts.

I tell kreig to stop fighting after defending iiSwagGut (because obvs a new person to building and won't know how to build a skyscraper) In my head, and I would've thought a lot of other people would think is yeah, you're kinda expecting a new builder to build a high quality map that would never be possible right now. That is unless i could help him which i don't think a lot of people saw how i acted about it. I don't completely expect you to but you'd at-least see my points.

Kreig see's this and complains in the home page, where i try to justify myself.

1 or 2 more times i say we should quit fighting, he replies again with this time using all the things i said in the thread against me. (Stuff that i didn't imply to hurt anyone when i wrote it. After this, its not about defending or talking about iiSwagGut. Kreig is mad with me after he claims i keep trying to close the argument having the last laugh.

No I never wanted the last laugh, I assume that if I were to say anything to you that were untrue or misunderstood, you would instantly justify yourself just like i did. This happened again where like 2 or 3 times again i said to stop while also justifying myself.

Well then, my story is covered, now to defend myself again:


 * I did not in any want to attack you even though you were throwing all your comments at me
 * Not our fault if swag uses free models because that just means his map wont get accepted.
 * I actually never asked for the dev title, pr gave it to me once i made a map, which in a way can be considered as a reward for hard work.
 * Why can't I encourage iiSwagGut like the way others encouraged me?
 * Whats wrong with giving tips to him, its going to help him build better.
 * My actions were not against the rules as the wikia guidelines are to keep the wikia a happy place which i was trying to do until you interfered.

I'm asking one more time, you dont even have to read all of the above kreig /von. We can just ignore this whole thing completely and move along. I'll even delete all of the text I typed down above so no one else has to see if we can just agree to end this without creating more chaos. 